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Lesh Pulls Music Venue Proposal After Angry Flyers Posted

Leshes delay plans for Terrapin Crossroads. Community meetings will attempt to resolve questions.

are pulling a request for a traffic study for their off tonight's after angry signs denouncing the project were posted around the Leshes' neighborhood in Ross and outside a funeral at .

According to Jill Lesh, signs saying "Stop Terrapin" were posted directly along Phil's morning walking route and anonymous flyers against the project were posted on cars at St. Rita's for a child's funeral.

The flyers around their neighborhood in Ross followed Phil's morning coffee walk directly, she said, suggesting someone had been watching him.

"We were dismayed that [the process] started with such tactics instead of with open communication," said Jill in an email.

Because of the aggressive tactics, Jill said they decided to pull the initial proposal for a traffic study off tonight's town council agenda.

She also said that this happened after they made an effort to reach out to neighbors, provided them with contact information, and tried to be as "transparent" as possible. 

Tonight was supposed to be the very first public meeting on the proposal and would have been a time for public discussion, said Town Manager Michael Rock. Instead, he said, people have unfortunately been taking sides before any public meetings have even been held.

"Clearly, there's misinformation," said Rock.

Jill said she was very dismayed by the tactics of people in opposition, particularly those that affected funeral-goers at St. Rita's. She said they've tried to engage neighbors to address their concerns and had pledged in writing to add a fee to tickets to benefit the town directly, in addition to other community benefits from the venue.

"We weren't trying to ram it down Fairfax's throat," said Jill, pointing out there are a number of other places that have come forward since the proposal was submitted, but that Fairfax just seemed like the perfect place.

"We really brought the project to Fairfax with the best of intentions and with the hope that we could make a positive difference to the town. We were ready to treat all concerns with respect and honestly look to see if we could resolve them properly," she said by email.

The proposal will be shelved while more community outreach and education is done. 

There will be a community meeting sponsored by the Chamber on Sept. 1 at 6:30 p.m. at the Pavilion, said Rock, with the project manager and town staff to provide information and discuss how the project will mitigate concerns like traffic, security and noise.

After that, later in the year, the Leshes will consider bringing the proposal back to the town to start the use permitting and environmental review process.

"It may be more of a challenge than we want right now," said Jill.

"We really did just want to bring a special place for art and music to the town and were early in the process of exploring the issues. We are very sorry that honest communication seems to have no place in this process," she said.

sally August 23, 2011 at 03:30 AM
Mimi and Serena, are you middle aged flower children? Pathetic.
Selena Xochitl Martinez August 23, 2011 at 03:35 AM
oh my! keep the labels to yourself and lets get back to the business of deciding whether this proposal will work for EVERYBODY
Mimi Newton August 23, 2011 at 03:40 AM
Sally Your hostility belies your ill intent, hope things get better for you - peace and love, Mimi
jill August 23, 2011 at 03:45 AM
I have noticed that Mimi and Selena both have a lot of time to devote to arguing with strangers on the internet. Scary! Hope people turn out to vote against these nutbags.
Mimi Newton August 23, 2011 at 03:48 AM
LOL! Definitely looking forward to meeting YOU Selena!
Selena Xochitl Martinez August 23, 2011 at 03:50 AM
rolling my eyes
Selena Xochitl Martinez August 23, 2011 at 03:57 AM
Look folks, communication is key to getting things done. In this age we have many options and the internet serves that purpose well. The Fairfax Patch site is a great forum for locals to discuss matters of importance. Many people can join the debate and have their voices heard, this is a good precursor to having town meetings.
jill August 23, 2011 at 04:28 AM
Not necessarily. A lot of residents and property owners close by oppose this project.
jill August 23, 2011 at 04:29 AM
An abandoned gas station is quiet.
jill August 23, 2011 at 04:31 AM
We are not "bad apples". we are people that live here. Who are you, an entrepreneur?
Sierra Salin August 23, 2011 at 05:34 AM
Ya Hu! I needed a good laugh tonight, Selena, I loved your response to Sally above. And to everybody else, we are all fool of it folks, left, right, wrong, and everything all around. It takes all of us and all sides communicating and reaching workable agreements, which are based on the overall health and well being of the overall community, and regardless of how vocally and passionately pro, con, or undecided anyone is on this forum, this is going to take time and compromise, before anything comes of it besides conjecture. What kind of world are YOU creating, and what are any of us giving back? Most of us are ignorant and over consuming hungry ghosts, intent on individual empire and profit, the western way, which is laying waste to all living systems, and for what?
keo August 23, 2011 at 12:51 PM
sally, i mean jill, I mean Jah, I mean clare - same person right ? Are you a middle aged Yuppie soccer mom/dad who probably should have never moved to the Bay Area if she/he was so scared hippies ? I think a lot of the neighbors think that everyone is so enamored with Phil and that is why they want this venue. Yes people love the Dead and respect Phil, but for most people who grew up around here if one of your parents didn't work for the Dead, one of your friends parents worked for the Dead, Phil is not some other worldly person that these people are worshipping. The Dead as a business as well as there contributions to many charities have been a big part of many families in this community. Most of the kids raised by Marin hippies are probably not even Dead fans, but like music and like community and aren't scared of hippies and think this project is a good one for OUR community. One thing you would know, if you had a clue, is that the Grateful Dead community is made up of all sorts of different people and for you to simplify the matter and make it all hippy dippy types who would want this venue makes me think you are stuck in the 1960s with your very simplified, naive, ignorant way of looking at the world and people.
Greg Nudd August 23, 2011 at 03:21 PM
People, people. . . Please don't feed the trolls. Thank you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
Kelly Dunleavy O'Mara August 23, 2011 at 08:27 PM
OK, no more insults or name-calling or anything. Any comments that include any personal insults or name-calling, I will be deleting and if it keeps happening I'll be suspending the account. The debate is fine and I know a lot of us disagree, but no names. OK.
Paul Maldonato August 23, 2011 at 08:29 PM
Everyone look on the bright-side. The opposition is small, and will lose in the end. You can't stop progress. If you're looking for peace and quiet and no traffic, go move out to Forest Knolls or just out in the woods for that matter. Anyone, with the exception of the Bennett House folks, moved close-in so they could have access to downtown. To think that downtown isn't going to grow because you live close in and want quiet is comical. Just give it up, you're wasting your breath.
Sierra Salin August 23, 2011 at 11:47 PM
Written with what sounds like real arrogance and certaintude of your position, Paul, without much room for debate. The way you put it out, obviously you are right, and whatever views others may have, if they disagree with you, well, then they must be mistaken. How is anyone supposed to have a conversation with that? You appear to have no room for any points of view besides your own, which is certainly not democracy....
jah August 24, 2011 at 04:34 AM
There are other ways to get the tax dollars, Those two lots, the gas station, and the natural foods store could become a large outdoor cafe with winter sun, and a small drug store. These uses would not challenge the town., Think what would be best for Fairfax, and not abuse neighbors.
kg August 24, 2011 at 05:24 AM
It strikes me as though the biggest opposition to this issue are from people who live on Klaus Circle. Looking in my crystal ball, I'd say your life if this passes is about to get a lot more pleasant with the Good Earth moving out. No garbage trucks/deliveries in the morning. Easy in and out during the day. If they park at St. Ritas, it will be easy at night as well. Addressing Jah, the abused hard working person, if peace and quiet is what you're after a hard day, why did you buy a house so close to a commercial district?
keo August 24, 2011 at 12:58 PM
Do you see anyone with a proposal for a large cafe and small drug store ? If that is what you want there then take your money and your business plan and submit a proposal for a use permit hearing. I second kgs question to you and ALL your neighbors, why did you buy a house so close to the commercial district ? Oh I know why, b/c one day about 10 years ago you came over from San Francisco or up from LA or maybe from Pennsylvania and thought "what a cute quiet community here, it looks like you could even live close to town and it will be sooo quiet"......and in the meantime you forgot to talk to locals and others who had lived in the community for a long time to find out that , actually, Fairfax is a bustling little town with quite a night life, something that all us natives and long time locals like about it here. Stop trying to change our town. Deal with the choices that you have made in your life, to buy a home close to the commercial part of town. We ARE thinking what would be best for Fairfax, YOU on the other hand are thinking about what might be best for YOU !
clare August 31, 2011 at 12:23 AM
Keo... you probably won't see this as posts are so old, but JUST IN CASE. Cuz it's just become so PERSONAL!!! And rather unfriendly/yucky. Thus this, my last post, and a CLARE-ification, although it's sooo terribly irrelevant. If you must know...yes, I guess I'm middle aged; yes, a mom. No, not yuppie, if that even means anything. Struggling, broke, hard-working, fully integrated and involved in the community in which i was BORN AND RAISED (no, my parents didn't follow OR work for Jerry and Friends-- more like Joan Baez and Peter Paul and Mary-- just regular hard working teacher types... very cool, community oriented people themselves) and just prone to having my own opinions about things, gosh darn it. But more than willing to entertain ideas and facts and even other opinions. And when did the conversation become about who the people commenting on this issue are? (or their parents! oh, i started that). Could ya just TRY (Sally, too) to be NICE and a wee bit less judgmental?
Jane Woodside August 31, 2011 at 11:50 PM
I am so sorry that there has been such rudeness on the part of the opponents to the Lesh's proposal. I do live nearby by the way and am anxious to hear more. Unfortunately September 1 is back to school night at Drake so many of us who love the youth and music component of the proposal will not be at the Council meeting. From my experience as an attorney working on music venue/ residential use zoning issues, having sound engineers sign off on construction and a strict protocol for dealing with noise outside the venue are necessities. These things can and have been worked out.
jah September 01, 2011 at 01:40 AM
I think you will find that many of us who live close to the project do not agree with you, and I for one will be out on every opportunity to oppose it.
keo September 01, 2011 at 01:14 PM
Jane-too bad you can't be at the meeting, seems like your expertise is exactly what this discussion needs. Clare- Fair enough, should not have lumped you with the other three (one) person I was addressing, after re-reading your posts I realize your tone is a bit different than the others, I apologize. To CLARE-fy my point about parents working for the Dead was more to illustrate that for many people who want this in town, it doesn't have anything to do with a "cool" factor which is what some of the neighbors are saying, a "bunch of hippy dippies who think it is cool." What I am trying to say is that the folks who want this , think it would be good for our community, they are not enamored because it's Phil Lesh. What I have a problem with is all the NIMBYs who won't even LISTEN/DISCUSS the proposal before they all jump on the "It's Bad" bandwagon. They haven't even given the democratic process it's due and it's this democratic process that gives these people a voice in the first place. The tone of folks like Jah and sally and jill are of entitled spoiled brats who think they can bully there way into a town of 7500 people, and stop something that the majority of the towns residence wants. If people like jah think they are in the majority over this venue then they are seriously out of touch with the community and need to start hangin' w/ people other than their fearful neighbors.
keo September 01, 2011 at 01:20 PM
I'm pretty peaceful until I think people are unreasonable and I think people thru this process people have been unreasonable and I know I am not the only one. Almost every person that I talk to about it to in town, pretty much all agree, we all roll our eyes about these people. Even the people I talk to who are on the fence and want more information before forming opinion think that the uproar caused by the neighbors BEFORE hearing any discussions is ridiculous. So sorry if I am rude, but I am saying things that others wish they could they just don't have the time, don't care as much as I do, or they are just a lot mellower than me !
clare September 02, 2011 at 12:52 AM
Gosh, Keo. I just can't help myself in responding ONE LAST TIME. Cuz you're still being just so gosh darn mean spirited. We are ALL ENTITLED OUR OWN OPINION. And you just can't, no cannot, speak for others, particularly EVERYONE else. Speak for yourself, and try doing it more softly. It'll go over better. By the way, in response to your question many posts back..do I know who Al Baylacq is? Yes, I do. He was the best man in our wedding. (and we disagree!!! grownups get to do that!)
keo September 02, 2011 at 01:36 PM
Clare you are certainly ENTITLED to your opinions. The problem is your opinion isn't based on any sound evidence and is mostly just conjecture, I suppose as is mine. But the difference btwn you and me is that you are not willing to let this process have it's due before forming these very strong opinions. I have said it before, if it came down to a Traffic Report or Environmental IMpact Report saying that this size venue is just not sustainable and reasonable for our town, then I would concede that the facts told the reality.....you and your opposing buddies are creating hysteria over things you don't even know will happen. Everyone in favor is just asking the opponents to at least let the process have is due then we can have some facts on the table before deciding that this venue will DESTROY our community. As far as your relationship with Al, guess you guys don't talk that much because in that particular post you wondered what all the business owners thought, and my purpose in reposting Als post was to show you that someone who is very involved in the community, who speaks to community members and business owners every day, said that in his experience 99% of the people he talked to were all for it, so maybe you didn't talk to Al until after your post.
keo September 02, 2011 at 01:39 PM
Oh and as far as speaking more quietly you might want to talk to your Claus friends about that one. Reaching out to every news outlet with sensationalized information, getting the seniors at Bennett house scared and nervous, and calling themselves the Fairfax Community Coalition when they acutally represent a very small percentage of the community is certainly not going over good with MANY in the community.
Ken Ballinger September 03, 2011 at 06:04 AM
"Speak for yourself, and try doing it more softly. It'll go over better." I second that.
Erika December 10, 2011 at 04:32 PM
God-forbid that Fairfax could be an artistic hub. Let's let it stay Mayberry on Acid, and frozen in time. No one could use any more job opportunities here in town, and the kids really aren't interested in expanding their horizons in their own little town..
Erika December 10, 2011 at 04:44 PM
And who are you Sally, to judge them so harshly?

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